look for these fights in bookstores this coming week. and watch for the authors in the future on booktv and booktv.org. and now calvin trillin staff writer for "the new yorker" presents the thoughts on the 2012 presidential campaign. his book is "dogfight: the 2012 presential campaign in verse." this is about an hour. [applause] thank you. the only fault i found with that introduction was -- i told them don't worry about being too e

fusive. go ahead. [laughter] sometimes i'm very modest about introduction. you don't have to go overboard or complicatedded. something simple since not like marc twain. [laughter] i'm not here to boast, the only thing i found is temp rare isn't going out is the first parking novel ever written. [laughter] i regret to say there hasn't been a bandwagon of people trying to write parking novels. i thought i'd talk tonight, since "dogfight: the 2012 presential campaign in verse" is a sort of result of what we call debt mine poetry. talk about being a deadline

poet, some years ago at an author's guild benefit, they organized a program which four or five authors rejected famous works and literature. [laughter] garrison himself rejected waldman pond by henry david monroe. he said there a lot of good ax yums in it, but the structure was weak. he suggested making if in to a calendar. [laughter] i rejected the waste "the waste land ." i did -- and the last couple it was i know it was a blow tom, not to worry. you are still the greatest photo missouri.

[laughter] how faint that praise is. [laughter] and we judge by it fact that the other poet from missouri is me. [laughter] and sometimes i say that tsl el yachted and i are the missouri school of poetry. [laughter] we have differences. i'm from kansas city. [laughter] which during my entire childhood was known as the gateway to the west. and he's from -- he was from st. louis, which got the government to build a big gateway arch and started calling itself the gateway to the west before that they were known as mound city, which always drew the question, mound of what? [laughter] so you can't blame them, really. although we don't think it as

the gateway of the as west. we think of if it as the exit from the east. [laughter] there's some similarities between tsl elliot and me. we both use foreign language in our poetry. he tends to use san san crypt. i don't use much of that. i actually don't know much of that language. i was one of the kids that got dreaming during the sanskrit class in kansas city. [laughter] look out the window. i use yiddish though. [laughter] i think it's fair to say that tsl elliot was not partial to

yiddish. i -- my shortest poem uses yiddish. my shortest poem was called something like "the societal, political, and philosophical implications of the o.j. simpson trial ." the title doesn't count in the length. and y. oey vey. [laughter] and also when yugoslavia started to break up, i did a poem that said cro asians with the good guys now, although the past is somewhat shady, so worry not that these same guys chased both your boogy and your -- [inaudible] [laughter] we both use a little german. when george w. bush appointed an

old family retainer i did a poem that rhymed with -- [inaudible] [laughter] and we both write about animals sometimes. he famously wrote a lot of things about cats. my daughter said once at the dinner table when somebody brought up cats, daddy hates cats. and i said daddy does not hate cat. that would be prejudiced, and you girls have been brought up to not have prejudice daddy has never met a cat he likes. [laughter] and i've written about corp. kor

g.i.s. i wrote in a column once that corp. the dogs look like a breed of dogs that look like they have been assembled from oh parts of dogs. not the part that the breeds were sorry about giving up. [laughter] i'll admit there's never been a broadway show called cor g.i. i'm a second generation poet. my father was a grocer for most of his working life, but he had a restaurant for a few years, and he took advantage of that to write a menu at lunch every day. mostly about pie. not pi pie. pie. i had a lot of trouble with pi

when i was in high school. math was my worst subject. i was never able to persuade the mathematics teacher that many of my answers were meant ironically. [laughter] and you may remember at one point the texas state legislature passed a resolution in favor of changing pi to an even 3. [laughter] and i was for it. i thought it was a good idea. [laughter] the restaurant polt is unusual. you don't find many restaurants pro privateers writing poetry. they are good with motto.

remember the motto of burger king. and in owens burrow, kentucky where most of you probably know, it's the barbecue capital of the world. one restaurant has a sign that says mary had a little lamb, you have some too. [laughter] there are many occupational groups genere of proto. the only one i know for sure is cowboy poetry is odd. they are thought to be laconic and suspicious of books. but they're probably more cowboy poets now than can cowboys. i met one of them, baxter black, a famous cowboy poet.

he wrote a book called "crouton on a coupee ." i thought what it would be like if other occupational groups had poetry. i mean, william carlos williams was a doctor and a poet. but he didn't write doctor poetry. doctor poetry if it followed the pattern of cowboy poetry. cowboy don't think much about neater. they have about as much use for a meter as they would have for -- [inaudible] or something like that. they are easily inspired. the most easily inspired poets, i mean, a burnt cup of coffee will set them off for a long time. [laughter] doctor poetry would be something like why she was so tall that old dock had to climb up on the stepladder to check the swelling

of the woman's gull bladder. that would be doctor poetry. flight attendant poetry would be she didn't hesitate. she knew her mission to get the seat back and tray table to the original upright position. [laughter] and deli owner poetry. he has a yacht, he has a cass l and a plane the man is in color. from six words at the scale, okay if it's a little over. [laughter] and hedge fund poetry. [laughter] he always fought the day before the rise, he always sold the day before the dive. i never knew the secret of his touch, and now they know he's doing two to five. [laughter]

i -- as a poet, i was fired by my father. my father the restaurant poet. he wrote manly about pie. his shortest poem was don't sigh, eat pie. not as short as o.j., but in america, each son is supposed to outdue the father. he rhymed pie with evening is new york. nigh. my favorite poem of not about pie, it was about this poem. eat your food gently, mom said to the little son, if you tonight i'll break every bone in your body.

[laughter] so for years following my father's lead i was what i think they are special occasion polt. i was the guy who wrote the poems on special birthdays and anniversaries and rehearsal dinner. on my wife's 50th birthday i wrote a poem, the first verse of which was, actually i just forgot the first verse. here it is. no way you say, it's simply cannot be, i would have thought at bar man ask her for id. i know, i know, she has that youthful glow that gives young men vapors. she's 50 though, i've seen her papers. [laughter] it's a love poem.

[laughter] i turned from those special occasion poet to "deadline poet" because of john so sunu. not the chief of staff but i think it's fair to say i'm the only person turned to a career of poetry by john. george h. w. bush presidency was sort of a gray time for those of us in the small joke trade. very bland group of people. i always refer to them as at nice protestant gentleman in constitutes. -- suits. they all sort of looked like.

the only person that stood out was john who wasn't in shape like the rest of them. [laughter] also, he had that characteristic that draws the attention of people like me. and that is he was very interested in proving that he was the smartest comby in the room. -- go in the room. that samed to be -- seemed to be his main aim in life. and ed roll lynns, the political campaign manager once said that john is an argument against telling your child that he has a high iq. [laughter] and he that beautiful name sunu. i love that name. we use to murmur that name on the new york subway. and eventually i wrote a poem called "if you knew what sunu."

[laughter] i sent the poem to the editor of the "nation" i had done a column. until i switched to the newspaper syndication. i editor, i refer to as the wily -- [inaudible] when i started doing the column, we had lunch and i said, what were you thinking of paying per each column? and he said, something in the high two figures. [laughter] i said, high two figures had he said we've been paying about 65. that sounds like the middle two

figures to me. [laughter] i turned it over to my high power literary agent and said play hardball. and he got them up to 100. i said how much were you thinking of paying. he said, i'd like for you to do one of the poems every week. for the nation. and for those unfamiliar with the nation, i was on a book tour once with a collection of nation cooling lums and a reporter in boston said how would you describe the nation for our readers who run familiar with it. and i said, pinko. [laughter] [laughter] he's said surely you have more to say about it than that. i said yes, it's a pink koa magazine printed on cheap paper. if you make a copy of the article, the copy is better than

the article. [laughter] a few weeks afterrer started doing the column he came to me and said, what about quotes? i said what quotes are these? and he said, did john foster really say "you can't fool all the people all the time ?" but you might as well give it your best shot? [laughter] i said at the rates you can't expect real quotes. [laughter] he said would you write a poem for every issue? every week he said but ever issue is not really ever week. they published only every other week in the summer even though

the drown toeden to do the year. [laughter] [laughter] i said how much are you thinking of paying? and actually give me $100 even though the poem is quite a bit shorter than the column. he was going give me the same. i didn't think it was much money. then i looked up how much do poets get many america? it turns out they are paid by the line normally. those who are poets have experience with this. and highest payer at the time, i assume, that's new yorker, i'm proud to say which is paying $10 a line. so if do you the math, you can see why there's not a huge crowd in front of the poetry boothe at the career someday day fair. [laughter] i was getting $100 a poem inspect no matter how long the

poem was. all i had do to be the highest paid poet in the country was to write a four-line poem. or even better, two-line poem. and so i did that any time i wanted to get the buzz you get for working a at absolute top dollar in the field. i wouldn't write a two--- i would write a two-line poem. when lloyd benson was named sec tier of the treasury, i wrote a bombe about -- poem about the relations with special interest group which was, the man is known for quo pro kidness, in texas that's how folks do business. [laughter]

$50 a line. [laughter] in the 2000 primary when george w. bush college transcript was late to no apparent effect on the campaign -- [laughter] i did a poem that was he sails with not quite as good as quails. [laughter] [applause] the people who my family, unfortunately call real poets, or poet, we call them the sanskrit crowd. [laughter] by we, i mean, those members of the international deadline poets organization.

there are two of us. the other member was john al may used to appear on the weekend issue in toronto. he's the global mail of the poetry, doesn't appear anymore. so we would say that his membership is hanging by a thread except that would be a metaphor. and we discourage mess fore -- metaphors. [laughter] it's not the only two-man organization. when i was going around the country, jewels lo, a wonderful reporter was doing a similar series and we form the american association and american correspondent covering america. [laughter] our headquarter though -- we

were the only members. we only had one rule. you can't quote. [laughter] that's how we kept the moip down. [laughter] so sanskrit crowd, i know looks down on "deadline poet" take ts elliot. i'm not here to knock the competition. but, he saw half deserted street or and it didn't particularly move him. he could wait until the next line come along. we can't do that us poets. e with have a deadline. also, somebody like elliot can make up a poem on any subject he wanted and choose the subject with easy rhyme and meter. we have to grapple with the fact

that people insist on going in to politics with who have bad rhyme and meter. my people like ross perot. john mccain they tend to lose. [laughter] i was very pleased to see bob dole in the senate floor last week. he was one of my favorites, not simply because he's from my part of the world, but dole rhymes with a lot of things. old king kole. sauteed ease care row. the president's -- the people who actually win the presidency tend 0 to have bad names for rhyming. bush sounds easy because it's nice one syllable name rhymes

with tush, but that's disrespectful and i never did that. [laughter] when george h. w. bush left office, i wanted to write him a poem. fortunately i had he had a lot of middle names, so the poem was ado to you, george, herbert walker issue in never treasured as talker your predicates were prone to wander boundless off alone. you can your best in your own way, the way your country day, just relax, and take your ease, and never order japanese. [laughter] clinton is a bad name. i've often said that clinton is the orange of american

presidents. and bill clinton's second term, during the unpleasantness -- [laughter] remember when hillary clinton was said to be taking the lead, she was going appear on the "today" program and everything. i wanted to write a poem about that. clinton wouldn't work. i was forced to use what we used to call her maiden name. i don't think we use that praise anymore or name of origin or slave names. [laughter] and so it's up to -- to prove white house's isn'teded so come. it's left to to show it's dwhra georgia laura. -- [laughter] obama jocks about having a funny

name. it was actually a pretty good name to rhyme. unfortunely i used up the rhymes with bin laden, slap your momma. i get worried when they start talking about presidential candidates. i did similar book to this in 2008 called deciding the next decider. along -- we shouldn't be afraid of the word open epic. a poem interrupted by other poems. it's the same sort of book it has prose in it. we call it a for prose. gingrich aware that her husband cheated on and loved two seriously ill lies desperately tries to make light of a bad cough.

[laughter] newt things it sounds like ben-gay fever. last time we had good candidates not only for rhyme but just in general. john edwards, i wrote a poem called "yes i know he's a mill worker's son but there's hollywood in that hair." or sarah palin, of course, for whom i wrote her version of the barbara stray sand classic "on a clear day i see --." [laughter] and this time when they -- and in 2008 when they started talking about candidates, it seems impossible to believe now. but the then governor of illinois was mentioned rob blay.

i feared rob. it turned out it's not a bad name to rhyme. i've wrote a poem on the auctions off of barack obama's seat. [laughter] in 2012, i was a little concerned. although we had one or two candidates left over from 2008. including mitt romney, of course, he had run in 2008. and in 2008, i had done a poem about him that went yes, myth, so slick of speech.

.. rick perry lake john edwards has beautiful hair and a good rhyme with perry because they say the space beneath the hair is scary.

[laughter] said this book stands with the actual election. since then camorra talked a lot about it why the republicans lost. i actually wrote a poem about back, which has called republicans soul-searching, were searching our souls and wondering why we got beat so badly our rivals are gloating. it's obvious now where our campaign went wrong. we should have prevented more people from voting. [laughter] and there was one very that the problem was as romney church

victories the center, which is traditional in american politics that you appeal to the base of the party in the primary to the center. and he did try to move to the center. the second debate i wrote a poem called from abc's sword into shares and the third debate when he moved further, he said from abc shares into feather duster's. [laughter] and one of the theories is while he did the -- did that come as some people the party were preaching things most americans didn't believe in. todd akin, for instance. i did a poem called the female reproduction system, a lecture by todd akin. [laughter] a member of the house committee

on science, space and technology. it's true. he's the kind of science committee. then there was the theory that romney was a very good candidate , didn't say things people understood, didn't connect with people very well and was somewhat awkward. for instance, when he went to michigan, his home state for that primary and said the trees for the raid had been michigan. the actual quote was i love this state. it seems right here. the trees at the right height. away from here i find no trees to please. no trees at such a perfect height as these. for me i cannot ever be at ease to grow one's knees. or two tall trees that splinter

group wisconsin sure has bragging rights on cheese and colorado is where they take your skis. connecticut of course has lyme disease. [laughter] and none of these semi-prepared to say is currently here with the perfect perfect height of trees. [applause] and according to that theory, romney just was in a very good candidate. they should have nominated somebody else. and there is also a theory they were demographically behind that they didn't understand the people they were appealing to are no longer in the majority necessary in an election are

these not overwhelmingly. i actually tried to help them out when they're looking for a vice presidential candidate. i did a poem called cuisine diversity. if rubio, gentle or hailey or rice got on the ticket by romney spies, republicans possibly than could entice voters who like to eat food that has space and not stick with voters who think that a slice of white bread is the food will always suffice. the end of one chapter says at retail politics, we've seen no more ham-handed candidate since albert gore. i once referred to al gore in a poem as a manlike object. [laughter]

about the comment touched that was true man's come i didn't seem quite comfortable with humans. a small typo citizens appear to be not only very small, but weird. weird facts with no connection in its chatter. the questions to which answers didn't matter. i'll end with one of the positives for pros highnesses based on fine reporting in "the new york times" in 2011 and the relevant passage in "the new york times" says when mitt romney introduces himself to voters come he is a peculiar habit of guessing their age or nationality, often incorrectly. a regular query, are you french-canadian? when making small talk, he peppers the conversation with curious details. mr. romney has developed an unlikely penchant for trying to puzzle everything from voters

personal relationships to their ancestral homelands. mr. romney likes to congratulate people for what exactly is not clear. this piece is president romney meets other world leaders at his first g8 summit. [laughter] the moment president romney entered a room at the opening reception was held, he was approached by a man who shook hands and said, are you a french-canadian origin? [laughter] president romney romney said smiling broadly, i am french. i am facts the president of france. congratulations president romney said. [laughter] lipstick contains a substance made from fish scales. [laughter]

before åland could reply, and before you could think of anything to say in the subject of lipstick manufacturing, they were approached by angela merkel of germany who looked eager to greet in newest member the g8. president romney appeared at her briefly and then said, your aunt? [laughter] your mother or quarks? >> this is angela merkel, chancellor of the federal republic of germany. chancellor merkel looked taken aback. when she regained her composure, she said to romney, i know you'll have much to add a debt crisis of the euro zone, mr. president. present from a letter the german chancellor up-and-down. i'd say you go about 140 kimber take five pounds.

[laughter] am i in the ballpark? [laughter] chancellor merkel, hoping she might misunderstand the president said i believe -- excuse me, i believe the future of the euro will dominate our discussions in the coming days. the city that is more bridges than any other city in the world is pittsburgh, pennsylvania romney said. congratulations. congratulations to pittsburgh, chancellor merkel last? president romney thought for a moment. now, just congratulations. stephen harper, prime minister of canada china group in nature introduced himself to president romney. are you a french-canadian origin? president romney said no i'm not the prime minister replied, but i am canadian. this states michigan is the petoskey's the president said.

then spotting a few feet away status, are you french-canadian origin? now, i'm david cameron, prime minister of the united kingdom. president romney looked at kamran and ben harper and cameron again. brothers he said? cousins? uncle and aunts. no cameron said. at that point the group boys joined by yoshiko nardo of japan. he and president romney were introduced. what are you run 55 or 60 the president announced? in a close? and 56 years of age the japanese prime minister said rather formally. yoshiko sans french-canadian. [laughter] i don't suppose you're

french-canadian origin? no, i am not the prime minister said. congratulations to president replied. [laughter] sought roca bennett the detroit tigers hit a grand slam home run in 1850 and it wasn't until 2008 at another jewish pitcher hit a grand slam home run. congratulations chancellor merker said. [laughter] guess the other murmured, congratulations. thank you. [applause] >> hi, i just want to remind everyone with mics at the front or question-and-answer period

form a line going up the auditorium. roughly 25 minutes for questions. thank you. >> hello. [inaudible] >> do i write other poems? >> do you think poems that don't rhyme or poems? >> the question is do i think poems don't rhyme or poems? i don't think i'm allowed to use the phrase cissy poems here. [laughter] it though believes in rhyming poetry. sometimes people say to me, you could run so-and-so's name and i say it doesn't quite rhyme. it almost rhymes and then i say, rhyme is all i've got.

>> have you ever written any cissy poems? >> definitely not. [applause] i used the word definitely in case anybody went to high school with us in the audience. >> who are your candidates for the next insider? >> there's been of course talk about hillary clinton and she remains clinton. i was saying to somebody -- some people today that i was at a gathering when somebody i knew used to have a little dinner for her when she was the senator from new york and we had toast and i said we'll know each other here. we might as well acknowledge that senator clinton is considered sometimes a polarizing figure. some people think she's done a

great job for new york and some people such as myself think she's insufficiently iambic. [laughter] she came up to me later and said i've been called a lot of things. [laughter] said that one really count. yes? hello? >> yeah, you. >> i lived in kansas city before coming here and i wondered in their early days in kansas city if some of your memories played a part in getting started and poetry? >> i like what he said a in kansas city. a lot of people say i'm from kansas city. i hate to say this, but a lot of people who really aren't say they are from kansas city just for the prestige.

[laughter] well, yeah, my father's verse certainly influenced me and obviously in general i'm influenced by being brought up in kansas city. and read a book about my father and i discussed the fact that when you hear people talk about their childhoods, you can often reduce what they say into a sentence, lycopene suntans, likely come from a noble family and you must do nothing to discourage this name or were miserable because your father deserted us. and when i thought about what theme i hoped my daughters of bringing kind. my daughters grew up in greenwich village. i realized he was despite all evidence to the contrary, you're being raised in kansas city.

so yeah, i think we grow up has a lot of influence. >> do you do any poems about politicians who are no longer resides? what was your father's and your thoughts on harry truman? >> well, my father, although i'm not sure ever heard my father say this about harry truman, but almost everybody my father's age when harry truman's name came up said that he had bought a tie from harry truman's haberdashery on 10th and baltimore. i said in a column once that everybody said that actually had but a tie, clifton daniel would be married to the daughter of the cabal king of western

missouri. i think my father, like a lot of people in kansas city by harry truman was a pendergast regular sorting machine guy and underrated him. i actually interviewed harry truman when i was in college months trying out for the paper and i was home for spring vacation and the library hadn't started yet, so he was in one of those office buildings in downtown kansas city. like a dentist office said it presse klassen said harry truman and there's a secretary and he said, back. doubtless his entourage. i really really don't story. he asked me to send it to them, so i sent it to an anti-sent me a letter that said thank you for

the article. it was perfectly all right. and i was very nice. i had a lot of time for harry sherman. i don't mean i spent a lot of time, but i admired him. he's the only kansas city president. >> and from kansas city and i'm not just saying that for the prestige. >> cam repository and then i? for jakarta high school? >> i want to shy city high school. and from the wrong side of the state line. >> it's okay, it's alright. >> to refer to it as cupcake land. go ahead. >> i've read a lot of humorous books, but my favorite book you've written is to doubt alice. i was just wondering which are favorite book you have the names. >> i guess that would be one of

them. as you heard in the introduction, i've written different kinds of books, so it's sort of apples and oranges in comparison. i think you said i was diverse or versatile. another way of thinking about it as i never quite got my act together. that certainly, about alice, is one of them. thank you. >> i was wondering if your mom baked all the pies for the restaurant. >> this is trillin's pie for naturally baked by a black woman named thelma. i've often talked about my mother's cooking. for 30 years she served her family nothing but leftovers. [laughter]

i was out of college before i started to wonder, left over from what? that the original meal has never been found. [laughter] said they were lucky she didn't bake the pies. >> and your favorite leftovers? >> actually, we always had about 15 or 16 things on the table and then she would jump up in the middle and say i forgot the jell-o mold. it was way in the back of the refrigerator. so i still like leftovers. my mother always said, everything tastes better the second day. the fourth day, i don't know. >> actually met my wife at the hotel president shortly before they boarded up in kansas city. >> it's open again. >> i know, four-star hotel. >> you could get a plaque. >> will go to the charmer.

>> the rendezvous -- [inaudible] >> well, then face does some barbecue. and every barbecue is different. i like memphis barbecue. this is a different beast than kansas city barbecue and different people making it. texas barbecues you know grew out of czech and german butcher shops and is totally different. kansas city barbecue i always say going in kansas city, going to a white run barbecue places like going to a gentile internist. [laughter] things might turn out, but you're not playing the percentages at all.

[laughter] >> on the subject of food, i share your fondness for chinese restaurants in millbrae. i'm curious which are favorite one is now. >> the restaurant were used to go to and millbrae for dim sum, this is in san francisco, where one of my daughters lives. they closed and so she found another dim sum place in south san francisco, which name i can't remember, but it's on that main drive just before that. ornate city hall they have in south san francisco. i'll think of that name may be before the end of the evening. probably not. [laughter] >> i really enjoy your book, american story.

i was always kind of curious about the process of researching the stories. i understandably basically that they were derived from newspaper headlines they think. >> they derived from my going to wherever it was in reporting the story. newspaper headlines -- buy direct to he means that's how i found out about them. >> i'm curious because i figured there must of been ideas that she pursued that did not turn into stories in the book and i'm wondering if there's any interesting stories that came out of that process. >> usually i went to a place because i had read something about it in a story or somebody found mia wrote me a letter. usually i ended up with that story, almost always good partly because i thought it would be embarrassing to come back without a story. so just about everything is in

there for better or worse. >> do you happen to have any insight into pieties the u.s. presidents seem to have a strong preference for dogs as their family pet? [laughter] >> maybe they never met a cat daylight. [applause] more questions? are you coming down to ask a question or clear the house? [laughter] >> the former actually. i was on it as a christmas gift you could grace us with a recitation of the todd akin poem.

>> sure. >> it's very interesting to think about todd akin. [laughter] and murdoch. but macy -- i'll find it. if you think about what would have been if you called in a political consultant who specialized in women's issues and she said, i think you should have a couple candidates bring up the subject of rape. and not as an unmitigated evil -- [laughter] is after this because they think

it's around the august supply of todd akin. [inaudible] >> great. [laughter] >> he travels with me. he's my pager. [laughter] that's a different one. yeah, that's three republican candidates discourse on the subject of rape. we could do that one. i'll never find the other one. i just evren about this. he's glad to be fired. i'm going to get another -- [laughter] this is called the female reproduction system lecture by representative todd akin, member of the house committee on science, space and technology.

legitimate rape will shut the thing down. so she gets pregnant, it shows that her gown was cut way too low or shahani skirt and in some way she wanted to show off her shape and that's it was not legitimate rape. legitimate rape full text the thing cool. so she gets pregnant she might not have told the fellow to stop and not be so rough, or maybe she told him, but not loud enough for utterly failed to make good her escape and as it is not legitimate rape. then, it's called three republican candidates on the subject of rape and a fourth remains exceedingly quiet. [laughter] legitimate rape, so were told by todd akin will not produce

children, but simply a weekend offensive biology that quickly? the system down, just as safe as sporanox. joe walsh -- i don't know if he followed him. says exceptions for life of the mother are phony exceptions, just like all the other exceptions suggested sais all jive as doctors can always keep mama alive. murdoch says rape must be defended. a pity, but his foot what god intended. his absolute stance to which murdoch still pleased just happens to be what paul ryan police. this science can provide more remainders that now may scout witnessed in all. [laughter] [applause]

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